Student Loans Part Three
You read a few weeks ago that I have almost 100K in student loans. How in the world am I going to pay them off, and will I ever? Listen, I am not a financial planner (go to myfedloan.org and see if you can figure any of that complicated website out), but I have learned a lot through years of experience, and daily conversations with my emoji-bf/in-house finance bro.
Read on, and you will see how I have enrolled in a combination of income-based repayment plans and public service loan forgiveness plans throughout the years. Also, see how I’m making good use of all of those spam credit card offers I get in the mail every day.
This is the last installment in the series, but I will probably write an additional post addressing questions and stories I’ve heard throughout the series. I promise not to use any names! If you have any other questions or anecdotes, please leave them as comments, and/or write me directly. I love hearing your stories and questions!
Part 3 – Paying Back My Student Loans
Soundtrack: Sallie Mae Back by Dee-1 (alternate: She Works Hard for the Money by Donna Summer)
“I got 2 jobs really got on my grind, No time to whine I can’t ride my pine, In the game right now my time to shine, Started paying them loans back one at a time, got them down down down down down down down till I payed them all off. Peace sign.”
Here’s my story:
When I began working in 2013, I had to start paying off my seven different loans. Six direct subsidized and unsubsidized loans from FedLoan Servicing (one from each semester of law school), and a private loan from when I was studying for the Bar, because I was not technically a student (you graduate months before you take the Bar, making you ineligible for “student” loans from FedLoans).
Let’s start with my federal loans, weighing in at approximately 94 grand:
When I finished law school, I was automatically enrolled in a regular 10-year, monthly payment plan, and I was paying $1,200/month. Even at the law firm, that was a serious drain. I could barely pay my rent.
When I realized I was going to quit my job, and possibly never work in law again, I switched to a pay-as-you-earn, income-driven repayment plan, where my monthly payment was reduced to an amount intended to be affordable based on my salary. There are four different kinds of these. Honestly, I was overwhelmed and couldn’t choose, so I called FedLoans and asked their advice. Not a bad idea.
Income-driven plans are where you pay a percentage of your income to student loans, and some of them are designed so you never pay more than 10% of your income, before taxes. A bargain! After 20 years of on-time payments (240 payments), the balance is forgiven by the government. This is helpful since depending on the amount of your loans, sometimes your income-based payments barely cover the interest alone, so the principal continues to grow (DEPRESSING). I told you a few weeks ago about how in 4 years of payments I have not touched the principal. WOMPWOMP.
I knew I needed to build up some savings in case I was going to get less money at my next job, and then I realized I definitely needed to save because I was dangerously close to quitting with no job prospects at all because I was so miserable. By switching to the income-driven payment plan, I was able to cut my payments in half. When I switched plans, I started paying $600/month to the government, and $200 to my private loans. Still seems like a lot? It was. But it was an improvement.
But wait, there’s more. I actually did get a job, and better, it was with a non-profit organization. When I began working for a non-profit, I knew I should apply to the public service loan forgiveness (PSLF) plan I had sort of heard about, but I didn’t. This program forgives the remaining balance on your Direct Loans after you have made 120 qualifying monthly payments while working full-time for a qualifying employer. That is HALF of the payments than I would make otherwise. Thankfully, when I finally did apply, 8 months into my new job, they applied my previous 8 months of on-time payments as qualifying toward my 120 months of qualifying payments. If you work for a qualifying employer and you are currently on an income-based repayment plan, DO THIS NOW.
PSLF has very specific rules and you need to reapply each year to certify that your employer still qualifies. There are some sticky rules; I know a teacher in a public school who teaches special ed, but still does not qualify because her school receives a certain amount of federal funding and the school needs to be low-income. Seems unfair, she doesn’t receive the funding herself, the school does!!
Anyway, the PSLF plan applies to me (at least for now) because I work for a 501(C)(3) organization. However, there is a huge problem that has made front page New York Times news lately, about people detrimentally relying (look at my legal jargon) on this program, but then when they go to cash in on it, they were told it didn’t apply. The program began in 2007, so the 10-year forgiveness is just now up for those who began the program at its inception.
I have been on an income-driven, PSLF plan for 3 years now. At the current time, I pay $450 to the government and $200 still to my private loans per month. You, too, can pay less money in loans by making a much lower salary! Meanwhile, my principal continues to go up, and I’m basically screwed forever unless by some miracle, the PSLF program continues to exist. Then, I will be home free in 7 years, living the dream before I turn 37!
For now, I will just pray that Democrats get their sh*t together and don’t let the PSLF program get trashed by our Commander in Chief.
Now let’s look at my private loans, weighing in at about 6.5 grand:
This is where things get interesting, at least for finance people. For some of you, you’re already fast asleep.
I have more options available to me with my private loans, solely because there are less of them. I started with $12,000, and I have paid off more than 40% (pats self on back). My private loans have always been on the same payment plan; a standard 8-year repayment. On this plan, they would be paid off in January 2021.
This is embarrassing to admit, but my bf asked me my interest rate on my private loans (we talk about money a LOT), and I said I didn’t know. He couldn’t believe I didn’t know, but I said, “what does it matter? I pay what I can, they charge me as much as they f*cking want, and that’s the way the cookie crumbles.” Clearly, I have some major emotional baggage tied to these payments and I don’t love to talk about them (check out the first post in this series on the emotions attached to having loans).
Anyway, I honestly did not even know where to find my interest rate, but I started by logging into the website for my private loans. I hadn’t signed into the site in over a year. It’s on auto-pay, so why should I? More emotional baggage there; it’s easier to ignore and pretend it’s not there. In fact, it turns out I am not alone at all with this attitude, as more and more borrowers choose to remain ignorant of the details of their loans. According to a Citizens Bank survey and Forbes article:
- 45% of survey respondents didn’t know what percentage of their salary went to paying off their loans.
- 37% were unaware of the interest rate on their loans
- A very oblivious 15% were even unaware of how much they owe.
But knowing your interest rate is especially important, because then you can look to see what you are paying toward your principal, and you can also see if there are better alternatives available. When I finally found my interest rate for my private loan, it turned out to be 8.49%. That’s pretty high. I pay $191/month in private loans, and at the time I looked, $41 of that went toward interest. That was 21% of my payment that did not even bring down my principal. That is $600 a year for INTEREST. WTF? Luckily for me, I have very good credit. Ok, it isn’t luck, it’s more like, “thanks to my dad opening credit cards for me since I was 6 months old, I have very good credit.” I have mentioned this before. Thanks again daddy!!
Thanks to this great credit score of mine, I get credit card offers in the mail daily. I am not exaggerating, I get one in the mail every single day. In the past, I threw them directly in the trash. Emoji-bf told me to start saving them. One month went by, and I had 30+ offers. We went through them and found a card offering a 21-month, interest-free, 3% balance transfer, with $0 annual fee, the Citi Diamond Preferred. That means I could transfer money to the card up to the credit limit, pay a one-time, 3% fee, and then not pay interest for almost 2 years. Emoji-face suggested that I transfer my student loans to the credit card. I did not know this was a thing. In fact, I asked him if he was f*cking with me. But no, it is a thing, and a really good thing, at that. You can transfer money from anywhere, including student loans! More math coming up, beware.
At the same time as I transferred my balance to a credit card, I opened an American Express high-yield savings account with 1.15% returns. Basically, since I was paying $41/month in interest, if I didn’t have to pay that for 21 months, I would save $840. That is $840 I could put in my savings account and ultimately pay toward the principal instead of throwing it down the drain. Not to mention the difference between my minimum credit card payments versus the minimum payment I was making on my loans. If I make minimum payments of $100/month to the credit card (it will actually go down over time), and take the $91 difference ($41 went to interest, $50 to principal) from my loan payment and instead put it in my savings account, by the end of the 21 months, I would have almost $2000. Plus, it’s earning something in the savings account.
The thing to remember here is, if you haven’t paid off your loan by the end of the no-interest period, you may be screwed by the interest rates that kick in. If you do this, make sure you have enough to pay it off by the end of that period. In my case, I have $6,713 in private loans, so I will need to make sure I save the difference, $2,689 (6,700- (191 x 21)) by the end of 21 months. If I can do that, my private loans will be paid off by May of 2019, instead of January of 2021, just by taking advantage of a credit card offer I was going to throw in the trash.
That seems like a LOTTT of money to save, but if you divide it up over 21 months, it’s only $126/month. Less than 3 extra spin classes to teach per month. Or one spin class and one less drunk brunch. That is doable. However, it is NOT doable if I go on vacation to exotic places.
The best part of transferring my private loans to the credit card? All of the notifications that my loan had been paid off. I got an email from mint.com, I got an email from Wells Fargo, I got a letter in the mail from them, AND I got a check because I somehow OVERPAID them ($6.27… every bit counts!). Imagine the feeling when I actually pay them off instead of just transfering them to a credit card! I bet it will feel even better. 20 months to go.
Conclusion to this series, or VERY long story short: I sort of screwed myself by going to law school if I planned to be a world-traveler at a young age. But I am working on digging myself out. Working very hard, I might add. I’ve got my hustle, I’ve got my side hustles, I’m churning multiple credit cards, and I am learning to LOVE the taste of eggs ($1.99/dozen!). In the meantime, I will watch all of your beach vacations on Instagram from my incredibly overpriced, New York apartment.
Student Loans Part Two A
I want to thank everyone for reading my LONG first post about my student loans. I received some great feedback in the form of comments here on the blog, and also in the form of private messages from across the country. It means a lot to me that you took the time to read it, and that you are grateful I opened the conversation. I was incredibly nervous to talk about this, but I know from the response I received that I made the right decision. I decided to definitely add an entry (after telling my own story) to address some of the questions and comments, so please continue to give me your feedback and your responses so I can talk about them in a few weeks!
This installment is the most personal one yet because I talk about the staggering amount I actually owe. I know that there are many of you out there who owe more, and some who owe less, but no matter the exact number, it has an effect on our decision-making and our futures. Therefore, I am splitting this entry into two parts, with the second one addressing the impact my loans have on my decisions, and the compromises and concessions I make in my daily life. This stuff is depressing, and this blog is not called #LongLegsBigLoans, so I will try to intersperse these with lighter topics. As always, please subscribe and I welcome all comments. Also, if you know anyone else struggling in silence (you probably do, if you look at the numbers), feel free to pass it along! Thanks for reading ♥
Part 2 (A) – Amount of Money; Loans on Loans on Loans
Soundtrack: Bills, Bills, Bills by Destiny’s Child
“Can you pay my bills? Can you pay my telephone bills? Can you pay my automo-bills?”
Student loans are a generational problem caused by a hat trick of terribles: 1. Higher education is now necessary to get any sort of high-paying occupation, which it was not during our parents’ generation. 2. Education costs a sh*tton of money. Tuition has gone up 538% in the past 22 years! And salaries have not followed suit. 3. Banks and the Federal Government know that, and take advantage of it by charging astronomical and stifling interest rates, and not forgiving loans when they originally said they would. Some states have taken it into their own hands and have actually sued FedLoan servicing over their unethical practices, acting as the enforcer when FedLoans has repeatedly mis–charged borrowers and refused to reimburse them. Even the Massachusetts Attorney General called them out on their “unfair or deceptive practices.”
So let’s say you don’t actually get overcharged and you are just being “rightly” charged an arm and a leg every month for the indeterminate future. This installment is going to be about the sheer quantity of loans people carry. There are a lot of numbers at the beginning, so don’t let your eyes glaze over. The math will be over quickly and then I will explain in laymen’s terms how terrible this all is while I listen to the “Songs to Cry Too” (sic.) playlist on Spotify. Spoiler Alert: there’s a lot of Ed Sheeran.
People are afraid to say the true magnitude of their loans, so I’m going to start by just straight saying it: I currently owe $92,907 in federal loans and $6,713 in private loans. Total Owed = $99,620. In a few months, it will undoubtedly be 6 figures. I finished law school with $86,702 in federal loans and $12,000 in private loans. Let that sink in, I went from $98,702 in loans when I graduated, to $99,620 at the current time, 4 years later, and I have made thousands of dollars in payments over the years. My federal loans have literally increased by over $6,200 despite the fact that I have paid hundreds, and at some points, thousands of dollars to them every month since I graduated.
The good news is, some states are trying to curtail this problem by offering free tuition to state schools (GO NEW YORK, GO!). The bad news is, there are no such programs for graduate school, and if you go to a grad school, you’re basically f*cked. Americans owe over $1 trillion in student loan debt, spread out among about 44 million borrowers. That’s about $620 billion more than the total U.S. credit card debt. Approximately 40 percent of the $1 trillion student loan debt was used to finance graduate and professional degrees. Also, the interest rates on grad loans are higher.
There may not be any state-funded programs for grad schools, but there are still some scholarship programs or merit-based options. I received $39,000/year in scholarship from Brooklyn Law School. That means that if I did not have that scholarship, I would have completed law school with a whopping $216,620 in student loans. Just think about that for a second. If I did not have scholarship, I would have left school with the amount of loans that could pay for a nice, suburban home.
I cannot believe I just admitted that I had that much money in loans. As you read in Part One, one of the major emotions associated with loans is shame. But really, why?? Everyone has them. Or at least 70% of us do. What about the people who didn’t have scholarship? I was almost one of those people. I applied to 10 law schools, and I was accepted to 7. Many people suggested that the decision was simple: go to the highest-ranked one. For me, that was Boston University, ranked 20 at the time. Top 20 school, they said. No brainer, they said. However, BU didn’t offer me any financial aid. I decided not to go there, and that decision was based solely on money, not at all based on the fact that I saw a roach when I toured the building. (Ok, the roach probably made an impact, too.)
In hindsight, especially since I do not work in law anymore, I think I made the correct decision. But how would I have known that for sure at the time? Anyone I asked advised me to go to a better school, one that would improve my marketability, and therefore improve my job prospects, and therefore would improve my earning potential. When I was applying to and choosing between law schools, the conversation of student loan repayment almost never came up. In hindsight, that seems incredibly short-sighted and a bit unbelievable.
I was speaking with a friend who does not have any loans recently, and I was pitching the idea of writing about this topic. I cited a few vague statistics, noting that I owed about $100K, and that I had a combined $120K in scholarship. He looked at me like I had 5 heads, and he said, “What? That can’t be, that means that people can graduate from law school with over $200K in loans!” It seems crazy, but it is entirely possible. Brace yourself for some more math here; it’s basic, don’t worry. Tuition is $50K/year., which means 3 years of law school = $150K. That leaves only $50K for room and board for 3 years if you want to leave school with only $200K in loans. That means $16,666/year. Let’s say you live in a modest apartment in New York with roommates, for about $1,000/month (what a great deal!). That means your rent is $12,000/year, not including utilities, and that leaves you $4,666/year for food, utilities, metrocard, oh, AND BOOKS. Which can be $1,000/semester. Basically, there is no way you can get out of law school with only $200K in loans if you don’t have scholarship. And then school ends and the interest hits you.
Last year, my dad was asking me questions while filing my taxes (thanks again, daddy!), and he asked me, almost incredulously, “you didn’t happen to pay over $2,500 in interest on your loans this year, did you?” I basically laughed in his face. OF COURSE I paid that much in interest! Thankfully, the one place student loans come in handy is when you do your taxes, thanks to the big break you get for interest. But the fact that my own father had no idea that literally ALL of my payments I make toward my loans go ONLY to interest, shows the ignorance that most people without loans have about them. Last year I paid $5,500 toward my federal student loans. Of that, $5,500 of it went to interest. That’s right, all of it. Here is a screenshot of my payment to my federal loans from June of this year. $462.32, $0 of it applied to the principal.
But this brings me to my next obvious point: the reason some people cannot empathize is because they do not have any first-hand experience. I talked about this in Part One dealing with emotions, so I won’t say much about it here, but those who do not have loans just don’t think about it. Their world doesn’t revolve around these monthly payments, so they don’t realize just how much of a lead weight it is for so many people.
I have one friend who told me she used to pay student loans 8 separate times throughout the month until she consolidated them recently. Talk about a constant reminder. She was basically hemorrhaging money EVERY FOUR DAYS. According to CBS Money Watch, students typically end up with five to seven different loans at graduation. Each one can be for a different amount and carry a different interest rate.
I have another friend who told me her monthly student loan payment is higher than her mortgage. She lives in Utah, but STILL. For those of us not in Utah, or those of us without spouses, how are we supposed to purchase homes, build families, or become independent humans, when we are paying ridiculous amounts every month just to stay above water? It really is a huge problem.
THE MOST DRAMATIC BLOG POST CONTINUES NEXT WEEK!! Stay tuned and subscribe; next week I will explain the small and big ways I try to save money to stay above water, as well as the huge life decisions that will be impacted by my student loans: career, family, home, retirement, basically everything. The following installment, I will tell my personal story about which repayment plans I have opted into, and out of, and how I am using free credit card offers to pay off my private loans. $$ FREE MONEY! $$
“Saving” Money Using Mint.com
HAPPY CINCO DE MAYO!! How much money am I going to spend today on margaritas? It’s no secret that drinking is expensive. And living in NYC, there are so many other things that cost money. You’re always either paying with time or money, and since no one ever has any time, the question is always how to save money. Recently, I started using mint.com, and I have not been more addicted to a website since I discovered Facebook. I have the app and I sign on twice a day. It’s that serious.
Here’s how you use mint:
- First, you import all of your accounts. So easy having everything in one place!
- Then you create settings so they email you every time a large purchase is made. What an awesome idea! You can keep an eye on your credit card security!
- Then, you go through every single transaction you made and you create categories. The OCD in me LOVES this step. Carefully put each expense in a category. Such a sense of satisfaction when everything is labeled!
Things are fabulous! Ease of use, fraud alerts, categories, color coding, SO FUN!
And it IS all fun and games until you realize that it’s your actual money and that your “net worth” (which is the largest number on the screen, front and center) is approximately $-100K in the hole. Not so fun anymore. Quick reminder here again not to go to law school. Cue self-hatred and regret.